Thursday, November 17, 2005

reservations on reservations

Hey..

About a couple of months back the topic of 33% reservation for women in the Parliament & Legislative assemblies of India was discussed in this blog. This post is about reservations again, this time on the reservations in the education sector.

India is one of the fastest developing nations inspite of some of its stupid politicians who still live by the old-school theories and are a pain in the neck more than anything else. And in such a fast growing economy of such a huge size, education is a key to success and the accelerator to growth. India had its own share of educational growth producing mass pool of talent in various sectors every year.

India has some of the best schools in Asia and recognized ones in the World. The IITs, IIMs, several NITs, BITS, XLRI, Guindy Engg College, ISB, CMC, JIPMER, AIMS are all examples of popular schools recognized far & wide. They are renowned for the quality of education, class of teachers, availability of facilities and standards of the students who graduate from there. In addition to these schools, there are thousands of educational institutions who generate graduates ready to work in various sectors that have a labor demand. There are years of studies, exams etc., taken into account to select the best & talented into these institutions.

Then comes in Reservation. I understand the necessity of reservation. After decades of suppression, oppression, economic deprivation, one cannot expect a student from the downtrodden castes to compete equally with the rest. He/she needs a headstart and reservation is precisely given to accommodate that. However, as with any other social upliftment program, the politicians of India and the cunning selfish caste leaders have successfully manipulated the reservations program to their advantage.

To start with, the whole concept of reservation based on caste still continuing is mind boggling. Sixty years earlier, it may have been tough to identify economically downtrodden and it made sense to give some of these 'rewards' and upliftment programs based on caste. But in this 21st century, continuation of this idea seems absurd. Furthermore, minority religious educational institutions who claim to the government that they should not be forced to implement the reservation policies also claim that there must be a 5% reservation for minority religions in institutions.

The caste leaders are the most complicated ones. On one side, all the so called 'Dalit' leaders yell on the top of their voices that the caste differences need to be done away with; on the other side, they also scream and wreck havoc asking for reservation in education, jobs & what not..

  • First of all, not all castes within the "scheduled" castes are same.. Many of them are rich, affluent, govern towns and villages. Same is the case of OBCs. One doesnt need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the leaders only claim for reservation is to keep the nation divided and coin the profits.
  • Second, if the educational institutions already have reservations, why are there reservations in the job/industry sector too ?
  • Third, have we ever looked back to see what is the benefit to the poor man & downtrodden society in general because of the reservation implementation ? One cannot celebrate that just the fact we had a Dalit President of India has proved the reservation has worked well. Without doing necessary retrospection, how can we just go on and on with a scheme just because it gains popular discussions during every state elections.
  • Fourth, If reservations were so necessary still, why not the government and affluent caste leaders build world class institutions, provide reservations in those institutions and leave the rest to open competition ?

There will be thousands of debates to the above and other such questions, but there can never be answers.

It is just clear from the current setup that the concept of reservation is just to keep the caste leaders happy and enable them to secure their vote bank. There maybe a fraction of percentage of people who benefit this system , but it ends there. The rest is all manipulated and the downtrodden society transformation & egalitarian society formation that Dr. Ambedkar had envisioned isnt happening. Worse, because of this undue reservations, the talent pool is depleting within the nation with greater amount of dissatisfaction and loss of trust over the motherland.

As long as the caste divide is used as a 'reward' to allocate seats in top notch institutions, a healthy society can never be formed. It is time that sensible leaders bite the bullet and initiate the attempt to change some of these policies that have been taken for granted. This nation can progress only by unity and not by caste divides.

While these are topics are that are taboo, that become political controversies and touch sentiments of people and sometimes it may be better remain untouched, the truth cannot be hidden. And the truth in this case is that all this reservation system does is to deepen the divide within the society. Decades later, people will stop blaming Hindu society as the reason for casteism and will realize that it is this reservation that has harbored this casteism happily.

Ciao..

(PS: Bubbled this post up for discussions)

13 comments:

Sunday Thoughts said...

siva
This is from the article written by Prakash Karat in 1990 when Mandel commission is implemented
“The plea against reservations is advanced on the basis of equality of opportunity and merit. In an unequal society like India, where scheduled castes, tribes and shudras (the bulk of whom are the OBCs) have been discriminated against in choice of occupation, social mobility and control over the means of production, all talk of equality, without taking into account this reality, reduces equality to the concept of formal equality.
As for merit, it is perfectly possible in India to discriminate in recruitment and promotions, on the basis of caste prejudices or preferences, militating against merit. Further, merit, as the Mandal Commission and a host of other commissions and Supreme Court judgements have pointed out, must be seen in the context of achieving real equality of opportunities, social environment and compensatory discrimination to ensure social justice. “
http://cpim.org/misc/19900909_obc_mandal_pk.htm

Anonymous said...

Dinesh,

"Give time to common man to understand and merge castes". Are we talking about changing the world after our life time or what? Man, nothing will change, if we take this path, before our life time! ( I have serious doubts on whether something will change even if we opt for some other path, which makes me wonder why one has to take up this topic!).

You (esp, Siva being from Neyveli) know how caste decides govt. You know why the brilliant central minister (who seem to hate seeing Anna univ girls in denim) is there as a minister. You might know Chiranjeevi, Nagarjuna(and his father), NTR, Balakrishna, Junior NTR, Chandrababu (ofcourse, the last three are NTR's after effects) are from the same caste. I am just giving some examples. Caste rules governments. Govt has to give something back! one such thing is "reservation". Please don't think I doubt the intentions of reservation when it was introduced. I believe the intentions were honest. But, what I am saying here is the status quo of this century.

Caste is deep rooted - mentally and socially. I don't think removal of that system is easy. I don't know whether such removal will result in a betterment (because the removal is a drastic shift of indian paradigm). I don't think the so called "Forward caste" folks are the only one to suffer because of caste system. Yeah, they seem to be in the receiving end with respect to "reservations". But what about the rest of the effects of caste system? If those FC guys suffer "SO MUCH" why don't they down cast themselves by seeing legal options available through inter caste marriages? Do they even try? No.

You guys are trivialising "caste" as just a social arrangement. In my opinion, It is (or, has become) the back bone! Most of the imporatant socio-political and family activities in India are deeply influenced by castes. The political economics is "completely" driven by caste.

You are talking not talking about a country, where majority are blogging and googling. You are talking about a country where a FC father gets heart attack the moment his son revealed that he is in love with a BC girl (this is a true story that happened to one of my colleague's friend's family)!! You are talking about removing "caste" ?!?!

I understand your wish for casteless society. But I don't think we are going to witness it (not even remotely close to something like that), unless there is life after death!

- Anand.

Anonymous said...

Hi Dins,

Two centuries! well, that's a long time...so I don't have a great guess on what can happen...a world scale tsunami? why not? That's going to change the dynamics of world economy....

Again, i don't see the argument, we not being bothered about my son/daughter opting for an inter-caste (or inter-national) marriage, relevant here. I can tell you that my dad won't get heart attack if I do it today (sure, he won't be too happy about it either...but that's not the point). BUT, STILL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 3-7% of INDIA.

I don't see any plausible reason for caste system to end in India in a century.

Again, caste is one thing...religion is another. Much stronger and deep rooted. If you solve caste (may be by miracle), what about religion? Inter caste marriage - fine...Inter religious marriage - sounds practical if you live among the 87% of Indian mass) ?

Division, like any other human tendencies - cheating, corruption, dishonesty, is bound to stay for more than a century for sure. This is my opinion.

- Anand.

Shiva said...

Anand,
Before I respond I thought I will just point you to a post I wrote a few months back.
http://sweetkaramcoffee.blogspot.com/2005/03/origins-of-class.html

eyeStreet times said...

Putting caste above merit is not acceptable whatever maybe the reason. Leftist be damned for their political opinions on this.

You dont have to put down a set of people just because they dont belong to a certain class in order to give more priveleges to another. Whatever may be the arguments for it, it has not worked.

It only forces the privilege given class to stick to the very class that has helped them get those politically motivated privileges. It has now become a scandal/racket.

And people writh over brain drain !

What a bunch of morons.

jack said...

shiva,
Nice post.Yes we cannot have a healthy society that is divided on caste.Are you ready to leave your caste and declare yourself as a casteless person?.Can you let go all your caste practices and start fresh?.Ask the questions to yourself before you point at the caste parties.

Yes the researvation schemes should change, it should be more on the lines of economy and geographical locations.But i think we do need reservation.

In reallity i havn't seen a FC guy not making it in his life because of researvation.They somehow make it with all there connections.But on the other hand a guy from a lower caste from a rural area is not getign into a good school.He is not going to be anything, that is the truth.

Eashwar,
I think reservation has worked spendidly in india.All you have to do is look in you own office and count the number of black and spanish people who are programming with you.How many can u count?.why are there not many black and hispanic people in higher education or in big postions in USA, even though there population is almost equal to the whites.Were as we as a nation that got independece 50 years before have done so much to the opressed people compared to them.

Wasn't there a brain drain before mandal commission?.Why dont you check the percentage of people who moved to USA on caste lines.Iam taking pre mandal period here.Didn't
the uppercaste people go to ceylon,burma and all over the british raj as IAS officers of the raj??.Who ran the british raj in india??.The answer is simple if there is an oppurtunity someone will take it.Brain drain has got nothing to do with reservation.

eyeStreet times said...

Sen,

Yes, I agree with you. There must be reservation based on the economic background of the people and not caste based. Because on one hand the govt is trying to limit the caste divisions but on the others its widening the divisions by putting to practice such caste based reservations.

Btw, you should read one of Siva's earlier blogs on groups and classes. I agree with his assesesment that mankind divides itself as groups. Call it caste, class or whatever. It is something that is there to stay whether u like it or not. So dont waste your time throwing a challenge on who will abandon his or her caste first. Its a non-issue.

jack said...

Guys,
my idea wasn't to challenge anyone to abandon his caste.My idea was to let you guys know that one sticks to his identity cause he is proud to be associatd with it or he gains something from it.The people who have a weeker identity had to fight to earn their rights.So when u blame them for using caste to profiting out of the whole thing, you should realise that you are also sticking to your identity cause there is some profit/pride for you in that, which you dont want to give up.What i can get from all this is that by not crossing the imaginary caste borders and asking to revoke researvation all you are saying is that lets maintain the 5000 yr old status quo.

eashwar,
I dont agree with this argument.Yes there will always be division,but using that as a reason for not changing is just a lame excuse.There has always been wars, man has always been fighting. should that mean we shouldn't do anything against war??.And take the fightings as basic human quality??.Societies all around the world have been refining themselves.Yes even if we get rid of the current caste system there will be another one, but that one wont be bad as this.We should fight against that too and always strive towards a better society.

Shiva said...

interesting discussions... thanks anand, dins, eswar, sen & tharani.

eyeStreet times said...

Sen,

You say the present caste system is bad. Then why should one try to build a reservation system which you claim is good over the rusty and bad framework of the Caste system ?

Beats me.

Its no one's case that reservation should be removed. But its some of our concerted opinion that using caste as a means to establish reservation thresholds is humbug. That is no barometer to segeragate the needy and the not so needy. We have to use a different yardstick.

If we were to see the govt issued checklist of castes under each reservation category, it will seem ridiculous. It goes endless.

And we blame politicians for caste based politics.

eyeStreet times said...

Sen,

Your comparison with war and fighting is misplaced.

My point is groupism is only natural in a large society. There is nothing wrong in it.

Birds of feather flock together.

On the other hand war is just another way of settling disputes, though an expensive and bloody one. Man would eventually find other less bloody ways of settling disputes. But the idea of a dispute itself will not go away.

Guess we should just agree to disagree here !!

jack said...

Eashwar,
That was actually two answers for the double stands that came out in your argument.On a political level you are saying that the government is deepening the caste divide by reservations and maintaining the caste system.But on a personal level you are not ready to change and you say that humans always have groups and lets maintain the caste system.

As far as the war thing, maybe it is a wrong example.But the point still remains the same that we have refinied so much in all these years and are restricting ourselves from doing so many things, which are also natural to human beings but why is that we dont want to restrain/restrict ourselves from grouping?.why is, that alone being accept as a natural human tendency?.

N.I.C.H.A.N.I. said...

Very True Siva. I can't Agree more with you.